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		<title>By: blue milk</title>
		<link>http://bluemilk.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/if-i-didnt-already-hate-disney-princesses/#comment-17896</link>
		<dc:creator>blue milk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iris, I like hearing different opinions and am quite happy with those that differ from mine being expressed here, so if you had just dropped the &quot;nazi parent&quot; name-calling and the lecturing tone then your comment wouldn&#039;t have attracted a retort. 

Your comment did come across as &quot;mocking people&#039;s parenting skills&quot; but apology is accepted, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iris, I like hearing different opinions and am quite happy with those that differ from mine being expressed here, so if you had just dropped the &#8220;nazi parent&#8221; name-calling and the lecturing tone then your comment wouldn&#8217;t have attracted a retort. </p>
<p>Your comment did come across as &#8220;mocking people&#8217;s parenting skills&#8221; but apology is accepted, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Iris</title>
		<link>http://bluemilk.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/if-i-didnt-already-hate-disney-princesses/#comment-17893</link>
		<dc:creator>Iris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t mean to troll, it&#039;s just my opinion.

I wasn&#039;t intending to mock anyone&#039;s parenting skills, and I&#039;m sorry if it came across like that because it&#039;s not what I wanted. I just simply do not agree with you. You have your opinion, I have mine. If you choose not to let your kids watch Disney movies, then that is your right, I just think there&#039;s better ways of approaching your concerns.


&quot;o&quot; had a different opinion too but as soon as someone disagrees people act like they&#039;re being attacked. Really, no - one wants an internet battle, we just want to add our 2 cents.

When I said it wasn&#039;t meant to point fingers at anyone I was being honest; I think it&#039;s generally not the right approach but it&#039;s not my place to criticise other people&#039;s parenting. So if I&#039;ve offended anyone, I sincerely apologise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to troll, it&#8217;s just my opinion.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t intending to mock anyone&#8217;s parenting skills, and I&#8217;m sorry if it came across like that because it&#8217;s not what I wanted. I just simply do not agree with you. You have your opinion, I have mine. If you choose not to let your kids watch Disney movies, then that is your right, I just think there&#8217;s better ways of approaching your concerns.</p>
<p>&#8220;o&#8221; had a different opinion too but as soon as someone disagrees people act like they&#8217;re being attacked. Really, no &#8211; one wants an internet battle, we just want to add our 2 cents.</p>
<p>When I said it wasn&#8217;t meant to point fingers at anyone I was being honest; I think it&#8217;s generally not the right approach but it&#8217;s not my place to criticise other people&#8217;s parenting. So if I&#8217;ve offended anyone, I sincerely apologise.</p>
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		<title>By: blue milk</title>
		<link>http://bluemilk.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/if-i-didnt-already-hate-disney-princesses/#comment-17889</link>
		<dc:creator>blue milk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the troll patrol.

Iris - I should be so lucky that I could &quot;deprive my daughter of Disney animation&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the troll patrol.</p>
<p>Iris &#8211; I should be so lucky that I could &#8220;deprive my daughter of Disney animation&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: lauredhel</title>
		<link>http://bluemilk.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/if-i-didnt-already-hate-disney-princesses/#comment-17888</link>
		<dc:creator>lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This post was not meant to point fingers at anyone&quot; [...] you NAZI YOU!

Cheers, Iris, nothing like an auto-Godwin opener to raise a giggle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This post was not meant to point fingers at anyone&#8221; [...] you NAZI YOU!</p>
<p>Cheers, Iris, nothing like an auto-Godwin opener to raise a giggle.</p>
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		<title>By: Iris</title>
		<link>http://bluemilk.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/if-i-didnt-already-hate-disney-princesses/#comment-17883</link>
		<dc:creator>Iris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sincerely hope you&#039;ve not deprived your daughter of classic animation because of your opinion on princesses. I was never instructed on Disney princesses and I had (and still have at college age - Belle and Aurora vie for dominance dangling with my house keys) all the movies. I&#039;m getting a degree, and my mom/dad never felt the need to restrict pink or princess products in case they turned me into a bimbo. In fact, I&#039;m planning a career in the animation industry, so you could say Princesses helped me choose a career, not decide against one.

MoxieMamaKC actually has a point. Instead of playing Nazi parent, just discuss valid points.
However if you keep pointing out there&#039;s something wrong with Princesses, your child will detect that wrong thing and form their own opinions about it. Kids don&#039;t find it on their own; so just let them watch the movies and don&#039;t point out that there&#039;s anything you dislike about the characters. They can form their own opinions about that when they&#039;re older. As that one article says &#039;Sometimes a princess is just a princess&#039;. Adult topics such as feminism and racism bypass children until a certain age - perhaps 11 or 12 - so there is no need to discuss feminism with your 6 - year - old. She&#039;ll just start finding nonexistent &#039;bad things&#039; in ordinary content.

 If the only influence your kid has is movies, then I&#039;m afraid there&#039;s more problems than just stereotyping or damsel - in - distress princesses. I was over the Bratz dolls age when they came out so no comment there. But they are an ugly, bug - eyed bunch. :)

P.S. This post was not meant to point fingers at anyone; it was a general comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sincerely hope you&#8217;ve not deprived your daughter of classic animation because of your opinion on princesses. I was never instructed on Disney princesses and I had (and still have at college age &#8211; Belle and Aurora vie for dominance dangling with my house keys) all the movies. I&#8217;m getting a degree, and my mom/dad never felt the need to restrict pink or princess products in case they turned me into a bimbo. In fact, I&#8217;m planning a career in the animation industry, so you could say Princesses helped me choose a career, not decide against one.</p>
<p>MoxieMamaKC actually has a point. Instead of playing Nazi parent, just discuss valid points.<br />
However if you keep pointing out there&#8217;s something wrong with Princesses, your child will detect that wrong thing and form their own opinions about it. Kids don&#8217;t find it on their own; so just let them watch the movies and don&#8217;t point out that there&#8217;s anything you dislike about the characters. They can form their own opinions about that when they&#8217;re older. As that one article says &#8216;Sometimes a princess is just a princess&#8217;. Adult topics such as feminism and racism bypass children until a certain age &#8211; perhaps 11 or 12 &#8211; so there is no need to discuss feminism with your 6 &#8211; year &#8211; old. She&#8217;ll just start finding nonexistent &#8216;bad things&#8217; in ordinary content.</p>
<p> If the only influence your kid has is movies, then I&#8217;m afraid there&#8217;s more problems than just stereotyping or damsel &#8211; in &#8211; distress princesses. I was over the Bratz dolls age when they came out so no comment there. But they are an ugly, bug &#8211; eyed bunch. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>P.S. This post was not meant to point fingers at anyone; it was a general comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Fashion Indie &#124; The Princess Phenomenon</title>
		<link>http://bluemilk.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/if-i-didnt-already-hate-disney-princesses/#comment-17248</link>
		<dc:creator>Fashion Indie &#124; The Princess Phenomenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as with any big money-maker, the Princess movement has many enemies. Bloggers cite racism, traditional gender roles, and unrealistic expectations as some of their reasons for hating Disney [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as with any big money-maker, the Princess movement has many enemies. Bloggers cite racism, traditional gender roles, and unrealistic expectations as some of their reasons for hating Disney [...]</p>
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		<title>By: blue milk</title>
		<link>http://bluemilk.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/if-i-didnt-already-hate-disney-princesses/#comment-14799</link>
		<dc:creator>blue milk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>o - you are an embarrassment to trolls everywhere, what kind of retort is that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>o &#8211; you are an embarrassment to trolls everywhere, what kind of retort is that?</p>
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		<title>By: o</title>
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		<dc:creator>o</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;sexually harassed by a frog&quot;  Hahaha. Get a sense of proportion. I bet you think the sun is infringing on your rights by rising without permission as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;sexually harassed by a frog&#8221;  Hahaha. Get a sense of proportion. I bet you think the sun is infringing on your rights by rising without permission as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariane</title>
		<link>http://bluemilk.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/if-i-didnt-already-hate-disney-princesses/#comment-14453</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take your point, blue milk, but there isn&#039;t much risk of that, I have two older boys, for whom I spend my life ridiculing boys who think pink is only for girls. My eldest son&#039;s favourite colour is still pink, after 6 months of school. He dresses up as a fairy sometimes. The mocking needs to be specific - pathetic, ornamental girls are deserving of being mocked - not wearing girly dresses. I like girly dresses. Having both genders in kids, means I find myself attacking stereotypes from every direction. 

I started down this path from a boy child&#039;s perspective, trying to ensure that they don&#039;t feel constrained to do only manly men things. So by default, I am talking up girly things. I mock testosterone laden, one dimensional action heroes too. We had a ball with Beowulf... :)

Big blatant stereotypes don&#039;t annoy me that much, they are a source of amusement, so long as I teach my kids to appreciate them as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take your point, blue milk, but there isn&#8217;t much risk of that, I have two older boys, for whom I spend my life ridiculing boys who think pink is only for girls. My eldest son&#8217;s favourite colour is still pink, after 6 months of school. He dresses up as a fairy sometimes. The mocking needs to be specific &#8211; pathetic, ornamental girls are deserving of being mocked &#8211; not wearing girly dresses. I like girly dresses. Having both genders in kids, means I find myself attacking stereotypes from every direction. </p>
<p>I started down this path from a boy child&#8217;s perspective, trying to ensure that they don&#8217;t feel constrained to do only manly men things. So by default, I am talking up girly things. I mock testosterone laden, one dimensional action heroes too. We had a ball with Beowulf&#8230; <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Big blatant stereotypes don&#8217;t annoy me that much, they are a source of amusement, so long as I teach my kids to appreciate them as such.</p>
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		<title>By: rayedish</title>
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		<dc:creator>rayedish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my daughter was three she started getting into the &#039;little princess&#039; after watching it on dvd.  Once I realised that this princess thing was about to head in a direction that I may not like I started encouraging her into Care bears dvds instead.  Which worked a treat, and now she&#039;s four and half with a passing interest in princesses and an obsession with care bears, which I can handle as her brother (2) loves care bears too and each of them go to bed with their respectives bears and watch the old (80&#039;s) movies together.  Its nice, and something that they can share, where the princess thing isn&#039;t so shareable (in that it sails over my son&#039;s head). 
My husband has told my daughter that Bratz are &#039;yucky&#039; and she agrees - &#039;look daddy there&#039;s those yucky dolls&#039; but now one of her friends who used to share her care bear fetish is into Barbie and my daughter is talking about Barbie.  I&#039;ve scouted the shops and there are some kinda tame looking Barbie&#039;s out there, and some with horses, so if she pressures me too much I know which one I can cope with but Bratz and my scene dolls are definately off limits (and I&#039;ve blogged on how hideous I find them http://raedical.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/bratz-versus-my-scene/ ). Waaay to sexual for a four year old, IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my daughter was three she started getting into the &#8216;little princess&#8217; after watching it on dvd.  Once I realised that this princess thing was about to head in a direction that I may not like I started encouraging her into Care bears dvds instead.  Which worked a treat, and now she&#8217;s four and half with a passing interest in princesses and an obsession with care bears, which I can handle as her brother (2) loves care bears too and each of them go to bed with their respectives bears and watch the old (80&#8217;s) movies together.  Its nice, and something that they can share, where the princess thing isn&#8217;t so shareable (in that it sails over my son&#8217;s head).<br />
My husband has told my daughter that Bratz are &#8216;yucky&#8217; and she agrees &#8211; &#8216;look daddy there&#8217;s those yucky dolls&#8217; but now one of her friends who used to share her care bear fetish is into Barbie and my daughter is talking about Barbie.  I&#8217;ve scouted the shops and there are some kinda tame looking Barbie&#8217;s out there, and some with horses, so if she pressures me too much I know which one I can cope with but Bratz and my scene dolls are definately off limits (and I&#8217;ve blogged on how hideous I find them <a href="http://raedical.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/bratz-versus-my-scene/" rel="nofollow">http://raedical.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/bratz-versus-my-scene/</a> ). Waaay to sexual for a four year old, IMHO.</p>
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