Bill and I were in foul moods this morning but what a relief it was to find that we were both angry about the same things and it wasn’t each other. This time it was the state of the house and the behaviour of our children. Because recently it has been about one another, in a scary, suffocating kind of way. I’m not good with that kind of anger in a relationship, I’m not the sort to naturally back away from anger, I’m not the sort to try and cover it up, nor the sort to ride it out and trust that this is the ebb and flow of relationships; I think about moving on at times like that. Maybe it is because I am the daughter of a single parent, I don’t have the fear some women have of going it alone with children. I have a kind of gallows humour about the difficulties that path would involve, but not a complete aversion to it. The arguing brought up very old arguments for us, arguments impossible to resolve, and with this some very bad old habits that we both thought we’d outgrown. I’m only writing about it now that the moment has passed because honestly, I have no perspective when I am in those moments, I couldn’t write about it sensibly, couldn’t write about it with any kind of optimism, couldn’t write about it with the sense that only two weeks ago I was thinking I would compose a message of hope to new parents based on my own experiences about how much better it all gets.
While I was this angry I talked to my friends about how angry I was with Bill and how angry he was with me. If I can be so bold, this is my piece of relationship advice for you, have friends you can talk to about that anger and who aren’t afraid of it and then hold nothing back. Even better if they will share their own honest moments of anger and disappointment with you. Nobody wants to be the only person whose relationship ever falters.
I received lots of wisdom. Some of it reassuringly matter of fact: “you will either grow together or grow apart but you can’t stop growing”. Also, “women heading into their forties are restless with energy and self-awareness but they’re often partnered to men in their forties, and men at that age are becoming increasingly inflexible and self-assured, after all, they are quite literally the patriarchs by then, they are busy becoming their fathers and probably inadvertently expecting their mothers as their wives now”.
Some of the advice was refreshingly realistic: “friends say to me they don’t know if this new relationship of theirs is the one or not and wonder when they will feel that and I tell them I’m married to this man, have three children with him, bought two houses together and love him dearly but I still make a decision every single day about whether to be with him or not”.
Some of the advice was just the relief of knowing that others go through the same thing; those friends who share their quietest, most secret moments of doubt with you.
And some of the advice was terribly clear-headed: “have you thought about the fact that you and he are under incredible stress at work right now? No wonder you’re hating each other, you’re both flipping out”.
They were right, actually. For a time there both our jobs were simultaneously being ramped up with demands while facing possibilities of job insecurity. Most often I am aware of the impacts of home life on working life, but really, you can’t underestimate the impact of the reverse. Thankfully we seem to have passed through all that safely and like magic our anger is dissipating. However, it feels like the house slid over the edge in that time and it is chaotic with mess right now and our children are increasingly frantic for our attention. So we’re annoyed, he and I, but in a shared kind of way.
And that’s the thing about being this feminist and a man in a relationship – we are in love but we are also strongly independent and so it feels at times with us, as parents, that the obligations of domesticity are trapping us together. When really, we are choosing this relationship, there isn’t a sense of fate here, there is instead a sense of mad passion and endurance and vulnerability with us, of pushing and pulling and struggling through it all for an outcome we both want that involves ‘happy’ every bit as much as it involves ‘together’.

Having friends with whom you can be honest and receive good solid feedback is, if not absolutely essentially, pretty darn close to it when it comes to making relationships work.
I like choosing over and over. There are definitely some days it’s considerably easier to choose to be together than other days. What amazes me after 16 years together is how quickly now things can go from not-so-great to really-quite-good. There’s a history of working things out, a trust that we’re trying to get to the same place, and a few more ideas about what it might take to make it happen. All of which speeds the process of getting back to the good us. Which, frankly, is a relief because our kids leave us with not a whole lot of energy for big fixes.
Great advice about the friends. My best friend and I recently discussed how we’ve both quietly and sometimes sub-conciously cut out friends who are always sugar coating their relationship/marriage/feelings about having kids. It’s exhausting to open yourself up and then hear someone bullshit you about how happy they always always always are.
Once when I was having philosopical fears about getting married, I asked my mom how she and my dad stayed together and happy for so long. She said ‘When things were good, it’s easy. When things were really fucking hard, neither of us happen to leave.’ My mind was BLOWN.
Very insightful…that alone helps, I think, even on the days when it seems there will never be a prolonged meeting in the middle
Thank you for posting this.
I relate to the feelings about chaos and mess, and feeling trapped together.
During the week I mother, and design from home. Often on the weekend, with everyone in the house (5 of us) I feel trapped and want nothing more than to be out of the house.
My husband has the opposite feeling, after being out in the world all week, he just wants to stay home.
What always tips me over the edge is when he just decides to do some long, involved maintenance type job, (but doesn’t mention his plans) and suddenly I’m stuck inside, adjudicating the kids arguments and helping them, while he is up a ladder somewhere, with nobody to interrupt his thoughts. I feel like I have to tell everyone where I am, even when I am just disappearing for 5 minutes to go to the toilet, (so they don’t follow me in) yet he walks out and starts on a project that will take 8 hours without considering that his plan might impact on anyone else.
In most other ways we treat each other pretty equally. He always does the cooking on the weekends, and takes a fair share of the domestic duties, and copes very well on the weekends when I go away, and leave him to parent on his own.
It just drives me mad that he doesn’t feel as tethered to the kids as I do.
Sometime, to stave off that trapped feeling, I go “shopping” on my own. I don’t really enjoy shopping, but a cuppa on my own in the shopping centre allows me to diffuse.
Hi, I think I may have tripped into your life by accident.
bluemilk, thank you for this refreshingly honest look at partnerships.
Thanks a lot for posting this. It is so refreshing to hear that someone else has the desire to leave at times like these. I too grew up in a single parent family and know that I could go it alone if need be (I’m not discounting how hard it would be!). My partner really struggles with this reaction (understandably). I really appreciate your discussion around difficult times in relationships or parenting.
LOVE THESE POSTS on relationship negotation and anger. I’m currently at the other end – the relationship negotiation that occurs when two long-term single people get together. haha. my (obvs new) boyfriend worries ‘I don’t want this to end! it’s so good’ and I tell him, it doesn’t have to and it’s a matter of choosing all the time. (sometimes choosing to have time on your own, for each person’s sanity. lol) good to hear that from others who have been choosing much longer!!!
also love how others can’t hack those who will only talk about their :perfect: relationship. meeee tooooo.
whenever I think about this stuff (e.g. the venting to friends who aren’t afraid of anger), I always remember research showing that women’s levels of happiness/satisfaction are really influenced by having at least one good female friend. (men’s are more by being married). did you link that on your website at some point, Bluemilk?
Absolutely love this post, for its refreshing honesty, mostly. Was just talking with a good girlfriend yesterday about how really hard our marriages have been recently, and I did come away from the conversation feeling so much better, because there is something about knowing that you are not alone in the hardness. So, thank you for this.
Totally agree with the advice about needing friends to talk to – I always thought, who needs a therapist when you have really great friends?
Thank you so much for your well-articulated thoughts. Came at a good time for me this morning. One very surprising aspect of being a new mum and trying to get back into work for a short period has been the anger that now seems to bubble up quite quickly when i’m feeling overwhelmed and stressed. I thought i’d dealt with my issue of turning vulnerability into anger some time ago (as had my partner i’m sure) but the baby/work combo is a whole new level of pressure. Finding your blog has been wonderful.
My experience exactly! I’m only now just starting to realise that in trying to be perfect mum and excellent colleague I’m becoming (or possibly have already become!) a not so flash wife.
We have some work ahead of us but we’ll get there.
I struggle with talking to friends actually. I prefer to speak to someone who’s impartial and not too close to me. I’ve had a situation where I tried to speak to friends about a problem with my partner and they got all indignant on my behalf and gave me some hopeless advice (along the lines of “withhold sex so teach him a lesson”). That really put me off talking to friends! I want calm listening and sensible advice! When I mentioned this to my closest friend she said I could’ve spoken to her, but I didn’t want to cause she was going through fertility treatment and I didn’t want to burden her.
Next time I was really angry I did try a counselor which was okay, but because she didn’t know my partner she kept getting the wrong end of the stick.
I guess I’ll keep trying!
Your friends’ advice sound really good. You are lucky!
I struggle with it, too. This was a great post, and so reassuring, but I think for me it might be different. I have a hard time talking about Mr. AnotherBlue to others. I know he has a hard time talking about me, too. It doesn’t make sense but even at my angriest I can’t bear to go off about him to anybody. I don’t know if keeping it to myself is healthy, I don’t think it’s hurting me but I can’t really say.
The closest I get is occasionally letting a little resentment slip in front of his mum, which I think should be a HUGE no-no, but she loves me dearly enough and my problems are the kind she saw through his entire youth (MESSINESS, you are the prime move of my despair) and she just sympathizes and maybe sneaks back and scolds him for the same things she’s been scolding him about forever. I know he doesn’t mind that, somehow, that’s how their relationship works.
Interpersonal relationships are too confusing for me! This is why I only talk to my friends about video games.
I was really angry with everyone else in the house last night too. I think it came from daylight savings time ending and the change in time – like mini-jetlag, doing housework all day then discovering the kids wallowing in mess in a room I’d only cleaned a few hours before and nearly losing my biscuit. I’m not sure why I was so cranky with my husband, he hadn’t actually done anything, I think my that stage I was just so over it all. Luckily today is a day off for me so I can do some of the things that are causing me stress and hopefully calm down for the rest of the week.
It is also important that friends know that they don’t have to take your ‘side’ in a way that has them holding onto resentment and anger at your partner on your behalf, after you’ve already got over it. I find my eldest sister is great at doing this, so I am reluctant to tell her stuff because she’ll bring it up when it’s old for me, but still current for her.
I saw some quote the other day ‘Not angry enough? Have kids’ and I did laugh because before children I would not have considered I was in any way an angry person. I was calm, I was rational, I was sensible. Add kids ad suddenly I have an intimate relationship with anger that frankly can be scary. I know part is sleep deprivation and part is anxiety that seems an inevitable consequence of children, but part is definitely seeing how unfair and unequal things can be. Matchingpegs, I totally relate to your frustration at the seeming ‘untethered’ nature of your husband to the children. My partner will embark on household maintenance projects which, whilst helpful and necessary, are also enjoyable and rewarding – the equivalent to me of sewing which I enjoy and not the equivalent to folding washing or tidying, which I don’t.
My kids are 14 and 18 now – I love these ages. They have different sorts of challenges
( and sometimes I feel like being the one flouncing off from the dinner table to my room and slamming the door!)
The young children stage I found sometimes quite nightmarish and feel like a survivor.
I noticed the relationships of many people around us broke up when both kids ( everyone seemed to have two) were in early primary school and mothers returned to some form of work in any capacity. Some of our closest friends came very, very close to splitting – everyone is still together, we’re all late 40s in age. The stress of early parenting, trying to reconcile the pre-child relationship, division of work and demands of little kids CANNOT be underestimated.
Thanks for writing this! I can’t write about this kind of stuff on my blog cos my whole extended family reads it. I find it surprising how quickly my partner and I can go from ‘astonishingly bad’ to ‘really quite good’. And it is a relief to find others do so too. And yeah, friends are so important. I now have one really good girlfriend in Norway, who lives very close to me, and it is making such a difference to my life.
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